Star Wars vs Star Trek

[Echelon]

This battle was inevitable!

Are you a woid, or trek?

I've always liked both, but ever since I was 5 years old and watched the entire Star Wars Trilogy in a row, I became obsessed. The New Trilogy was decent, but the old one remains as a classic in my heart, and to this day are still my top favorite movies.

So, what do you guys think?

[Meat]

Star Wars gets my vote.  I guess it left a greater impression on me since I saw the original trilogy before I even knew what Star Trek was.  I liked some of the Star Trek movies and I've liked most of what I've seen of TNG, though I haven't seen much of the other shows.  I always thought the ship designs in ST were kind of bland compared to SW. 

[LordRyunson]

Star Wars definatelty gets my vote. Star Trek, however, is just.... Oi.

[importgamer13]

I like both.

Though i enjoy Star Wars more,I enjoy classic Trek,Next Generation,and i liked what little i saw of DS9 and Voyager.

[bfg00]

I like both as well and I would love some strange amalgam of the two in the future.  Star Trek had better captial ships, but Star Wars had better ground combat weapons.  Plus I don't like a commie future.

[JG]

Star Trek had better captial ships....

WATEWUT?
The old tv series/movie-era Enterprise was about 300 meters long and the TNG-era Enterprise is about 600 meters.  That's hardly an imposing size compared to a Devestator-class Super Star Destroyer (a whopping 17 kilometers long)

[importgamer13]

come to think of it,maybe Star Wars is partly why i got really got hooked on PSO, having lightsabers and such.But then,the anime style graphics are what got me into Phantasy Star 1-4,so i guess it evens out.

[tetsaru arigashi]

i'd have to go with star wars on this one.  i've seen all 6 movies, as well as played several video games, and i've only seen bits and pieces of star trek stuff, maybe a movie here or there.  star wars seemed to have a lot more action and better storyline, imo.  i mean, when darth vader revealed he was luke's father... that's GOTTA be one of the biggest, well-known plot twists in movie history.  i believe star wars has been spoofed off of a helluva lot more than star trek too, so that's gotta tell you something about it's popularity as well.  i remember my cousin cosplayed as a jedi knight and camped out by the movie theater when episodes I-III were coming out, lol...

i'll give star trek credit though, for having so many different movies and tv series.  one of the band directors who used to work at my high school had a TON of different star trek movie posters and collectibles in his house...

[bfg00]

WATEWUT?
The old tv series/movie-era Enterprise was about 300 meters long and the TNG-era Enterprise is about 600 meters.  That's hardly an imposing size compared to a Devestator-class Super Star Destroyer (a whopping 17 kilometers long)

What I mean by my previous statment is that Star Trek has a better armed capitial ship in its class than Star Wars. In Star Wars (I'm talking the movies here, I know they somewhat rectify this in the books) all the capital ships are woefully underarmed for their size.  A ship that size should at least have a standoff range weapon (I'm talking something that can reach out touch someone at roughly a light-second away or more so about 300,000 km) as opposed to broadsiding the other ship at ridiculously close range.  I'm a fan of gigantic capitial ships, but only if there is a reason why you have a ship that big (i.e. some megaweapon that requires it as a platform).

[R-9]

Big doesn't necessarily mean more powerful, anyway. Plus, Star Wars ships make Battletech vessels look long-ranged.

[bfg00]

Well that is definitely true.  But generally if you have a larger ship you will have more room to do something interesting, such as throw in more energy generators, build a bigger gun, put in more fighter bays, etc.

And yes you are right they do make Battletech vessels look long-ranged

[R-9]

Well that is definitely true.  But generally if you have a larger ship you will have more room to do something interesting, such as throw in more energy generators, build a bigger gun, put in more fighter bays, etc.

And yes you are right they do make Battletech vessels look long-ranged

True enough. While my fav. space Warships are from Honor Harrington and B5, I'd like to get down to something a little more substantial.

While Star Wars tends do action better, Star Trek tends to do Sci-Fi better. Lightsaber duels are cool, but as a sci-fi reader, Star Trek episodes like "Darmok" R0xx0r my B0xx0rs. Thus, Star Trek manages to squeeze ahead and get my vote.

[JG]

Plus, Star Wars ships make Battletech vessels look long-ranged.

I should hope so.  A Star Wars ship can cross half the galaxy in a matter of weeks (not sure if thats canon, but they just about prove it in Episode III)
Battletech Jumpships can only hop 30 light years at once, then require WEEKS to recharge their Kearny-Fuchida drives.  Even at best speed, it takes eight months to a year to transit between the Inner Sphere and Kerensky Cluster (a distance which is roughly about 5% the width of the galaxy).  Better bring some Holovids for the trip.

[R-9]

I should hope so.  A Star Wars ship can cross half the galaxy in a matter of weeks (not sure if thats canon, but they just about prove it in Episode III)
Battletech Jumpships can only hop 30 light years at once, then require WEEKS to recharge their Kearny-Fuchida drives.  Even at best speed, it takes eight months to a year to transit between the Inner Sphere and Kerensky Cluster (a distance which is roughly about 5% the width of the galaxy).  Better bring some Holovids for the trip.

Talking about weapons, back there.

[importgamer13]

I also haven't seen any Star Trek video games i was interested in.Most of them that i heard about are about flying the Starships,with hardly any exploring a planet on foot,with a Phaser.Are there any good Star Trek games for PS2?

Whereas there's alot of Star Wars game out that i enjoy,my collection of those got bigger(I think i'm at 12 now...),the other day i picked up a Gamecube version of Star Wars Bounty Hunter...it's pretty neat,though Battlefront 2 is still my fave.

[JG]

Talking about weapons, back there.

Battletech warships have laser and cannon weapons with ranges of several thousands of miles, and torpedo type weapons that have ranges of several hundreds of thousands of miles.  You don't see that in Star Wars or Star Trek.

Then again, Star Trek and Star Wars have shields...

[R-9]

Battletech warships have laser and cannon weapons with ranges of several thousands of miles, and torpedo type weapons that have ranges of several hundreds of thousands of miles.  You don't see that in Star Wars or Star Trek.

Then again, Star Trek and Star Wars have shields...

They have an outside range of about 800 km, actually.

'Course, you wanna talk long range, then we get into the Honorverse.

[bfg00]

Then again, Star Trek and Star Wars have shields...

True, but apparently in Star Wars all the crucial functions of the ship are routed through the bridge, and there are no backups for anything.  So if the bridge goes down, the entire ship fails.  Or at least the is the case with the Imperial Superstar Destroyer (Which brings up a question can a Star Destroyer actually destroy a star).

[R-9]

True, but apparently in Star Wars all the crucial functions of the ship are routed through the bridge, and there are no backups for anything.  So if the bridge goes down, the entire ship fails.  Or at least the is the case with the Imperial Superstar Destroyer (Which brings up a question can a Star Destroyer actually destroy a star).

Apparently, the SSD had a secondary bridge, but that got blown up, too. On the Rebel Cap Ships, they have lots of redundancy.

Once I get the rules for my own space-combat system hashed out, I'll see what I can do for a side-by-side comparison of various sci-fi ships.

[bfg00]

Apparently, the SSD had a secondary bridge, but that got blown up, too. On the Rebel Cap Ships, they have lots of redundancy.

Really?  Because that aspect really never came through in the movies.  I now have a little more respect for the Imperial Navy, but not alot as why in the heck would you design a massive object the size of a small moon to have one small but catastrophic flaw.